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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2008, 12:25:58 AM »
dont know about netural but parking the rpm idles at 800, i put D step brake idles at 600 or so.  :D

oh, i noticed that too
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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2008, 10:38:36 AM »
wat about switchin off the ignition while waitin for light to turn green?

that helps, but not if is only 30 seconds.. i think it straisn teh battery having to keep cranking your car

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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2008, 10:48:30 AM »
Going to N with the engine idling while stopped at the lights will use less fuel than keeping it in D. This is a generally accepted fact. I've measured it on the Honda Jazz CVT with a Scangauge. Unfortunately Scangauge doesn't work on the Latio :-(.

Coasting to lights in N? It depends. If you need to stop quickly, keep the car in D. The fuel injectors will cut off (in the CVT anyway) until the car slows below 18km/h. After that, the torque converter unlocks and the engine receives fuel to avoid stalling. If you are quite far from the lights, you will probably gain some fuel savings by coasting in N. If you have your tyres inflated to higher pressures, you can coast for a fairly long distance. You can probably coast a good 400m on level ground and drop your speed from 50km/h to ~40km/h.

Automatic transmissions do have clutches. When you shift to N, the forward drive clutch opens so that no power is transferred from the torque converter to the drive pulley. The Latio CVT has a planetary gear shaft to perform reverse. Engaging reverse activates another set of clutches. I think the 2008 version of the Latio has automatic Neutral. So the 10-15 mode for the face lifted version is 19.4km/L instead of 18.2km/L. It also has improved torque converter lockup at lower speeds and runs the alternator only when it is efficient to do so. It also has the all important FC meter!!

I turn off the engine at long traffic lights. I don't think the battery needs to put out a lot of energy to crank a warmed up, well lubricated engine. It starts very fast.

If you are careful and have a good route, the Latio CVT can beat the Japanese 10-15 mode fuel consumption figures. I got 22.12km/L for my last tank of petrol. This does not happen all the time... That's 2km/L short of the Jazz's 10-15 mode number.

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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2008, 08:12:32 PM »
Today morning, i tried to switch to N, i noticed,

At D, 60rpm
Switch from D to N at traffic light, rpm shoot to 80.

Huh!
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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2008, 04:49:09 AM »
Do you mean it went from 600rpm to 800rpm? Was your A/C on?

Today morning, i tried to switch to N, i noticed,

At D, 60rpm
Switch from D to N at traffic light, rpm shoot to 80.

Huh!

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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2008, 08:43:08 AM »
No worries.  It is normal.  As you engage N, the engine load decrease suddenly and spins faster as a result.  ECU will then automatically adjust the idling speed. 

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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2008, 11:42:03 AM »
Do you mean it went from 600rpm to 800rpm? Was your A/C on?


oh ya
with N = 800
with D = 600
With airocn on

Why?
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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2008, 02:58:54 PM »
correct me if i am wrong...
the a/c pulls on the engine , also when you engage D your engine is actually engaged in gear to the torque converter, thus zapping up some power from you engine and reducing its idling speed

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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2008, 03:17:33 PM »
With A/C on and compressor kicking in, and with gear shift in N, RPM's up to 800+ appear to be the norm.

With A/C off and in N, it is usually dead on at 700rpm.

oh ya
with N = 800
with D = 600
With airocn on

Why?

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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2008, 11:34:47 AM »
With A/C on and compressor kicking in, and with gear shift in N, RPM's up to 800+ appear to be the norm.

With A/C off and in N, it is usually dead on at 700rpm.


but with aircon on, N=800, D=600, donno what logic is that. if so, then we shldn't switch to N leh.
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Re: Switching to Neutral Gear at stationary saves Fuel? (4AT/CVT)
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2008, 05:45:35 AM »
but with aircon on, N=800, D=600, donno what logic is that. if so, then we shldn't switch to N leh.

I feel that it is because D actually drain some energy when idling, that's why it had lower rpm. IMO, I think that switching to N is better at traffic light.