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Nissan Car Lounge - Almera, Juke, Latio, Qashqai, Sylphy, Teana Owners => Latio => Topic started by: HumbleCar on September 17, 2008, 12:30:52 PM
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Just went for my 10K servicing and change to synthetic EO. The FC is worse than the previous mineral EO for the past 3 tanks. Find it strange as FC should be better with synthetic oil. Travel pattern unchange. Anyone has the same experience?
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i'm going to have my 10k servicing this weekend...u go for TCM in-house EO or u brought yr own ?
will report back here for my FC after the 10k servicing.
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Just went for my 10K servicing and change to synthetic EO. The FC is worse than the previous mineral EO for the past 3 tanks. Find it strange as FC should be better with synthetic oil. Travel pattern unchange. Anyone has the same experience?
What is the rating you used for the engine oil? Most of us are using 5w30 or 10w30 as it is not too thick.
I hope you got the right rating for the EO.
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What is the rating you used for the engine oil? Most of us are using 5w30 or 10w30 as it is not too thick.
I hope you got the right rating for the EO.
so which is the correct one to use? U mean the technician at TCM do not know wat is the correct rating for the EO to be used? I always tot using synthetic is more for convenient as u can do ur servicing every 10k...
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so which is the correct one to use? U mean the technician at TCM do not know wat is the correct rating for the EO to be used? I always tot using synthetic is more for convenient as u can do ur servicing every 10k...
I dont think TCM care about your FC, as long as it do no harm to the engine.
So it can be EO with higher WT. (>30)
I brought my own EO for service , 10K with Amsoil 5w30 and now on Redline 10w30.
Both serve me well, but somehow I feel Amsoil gives me better feel which I cannot describe.
Still have 8 quarts of Redline with me at home. So no plan to change to other EO from now.
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Just want to clarify something. I went for 10k servicing last month. When I asked the technician to use my own Amsoil engine oil, he told me no refund. The mystery part is he said if using own engine oil, the next service interval will be 5k instead of 10k which is standard for synthetic oil.
I'm really puzzled about the statement: service interval will be 5k if using own engine oil. Anyone here have been told the same thing?
In the end i kept my Amsoil oil and used their Fasflo oil.
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I service 10k and 20k with AMsoil and Mobil1 synthetic. Both times TC state change at the next 10K.. Which centre did you go to? I did my at lokyang
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Its the way they reply to all customer now by TCM. I been using my engine oil from 10k to 50k and they say nothing. Anyway the price they quote is always without the engine oil. If you can login to ww.nissan.com.sg you can see the price.
During my 50k servicing, they say exactly the same thing and ask me to come back after 5k, thats why i go to autosaver for servicing now.
Just want to clarify something. I went for 10k servicing last month. When I asked the technician to use my own Amsoil engine oil, he told me no refund. The mystery part is he said if using own engine oil, the next service interval will be 5k instead of 10k which is standard for synthetic oil.
I'm really puzzled about the statement: service interval will be 5k if using own engine oil. Anyone here have been told the same thing?
In the end i kept my Amsoil oil and used their Fasflo oil.
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Just went for my 10K servicing and change to synthetic EO. The FC is worse than the previous mineral EO for the past 3 tanks. Find it strange as FC should be better with synthetic oil. Travel pattern unchange. Anyone has the same experience?
Hello HC,
It normal, your ECU need time to get use to different grade of EO used. No worry it will improve. ;)
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bro you can attempt the ECU reset. i did it on mine n the reset works:
http://forum.thelatioclub.org/index.php?topic=6305.0
you will get about 2 tanks of bad FC and the engine will feel like it's new, but subsequently it will improve. give it a try, and update your results in that thread :)
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i'm going to have my 10k servicing this weekend...u go for TCM in-house EO or u brought yr own ?
will report back here for my FC after the 10k servicing.
I got my ride during the CNY promotion which includes free servicing up to 20K km, including EO. Hence, the 10K free servicing using synthetic oil is from TCM foc. Was told by TCM staff that if not during the promotion period and did not get the NPMP promotion package, have to top-up $74 to use its in-house synthetic oil. Otherwise, TCM will use mineral oil for the third free servicing (i.e. 10K servicing).
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What is the rating you used for the engine oil? Most of us are using 5w30 or 10w30 as it is not too thick.
I hope you got the right rating for the EO.
My 10K km free servicing includes synthetic oil from TCM foc. I asked the technician is it w30, he said not sure then he asked his colleague. His colleague said w40. Is w40 worse than mineral EO for FC?
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Hello HC,
It normal, your ECU need time to get use to different grade of EO used. No worry it will improve. ;)
Hi Jazz,
From your experience, roughly how many tanks then the FC will improve?
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Just want to clarify something. I went for 10k servicing last month. When I asked the technician to use my own Amsoil engine oil, he told me no refund. The mystery part is he said if using own engine oil, the next service interval will be 5k instead of 10k which is standard for synthetic oil.
I'm really puzzled about the statement: service interval will be 5k if using own engine oil. Anyone here have been told the same thing?
In the end i kept my Amsoil oil and used their Fasflo oil.
Hi .. dont let them BS you. Sure cheaper if use own Engine Oil. So far .. I go Autoclinic at Lok Yang and I didnt get these type of crap from them. But I do encounter stuff like sign for disclaimer and etc if use own engine oil in BT Tan Chong. Not too sure about the other.
Thats why I typical service at Autoclinic, and they still put 10K interval. I use to use W40 (Mobil 1 Gold) at average at 11 to 12 km/l (due to heavier foot) ... recent one change to Amsoil W30 for lower cost reason (Brought from MX Trading). Still average around there.... Amsoil do give me better reponse as compare to W40...
:)
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Hi Jazz,
From your experience, roughly how many tanks then the FC will improve?
1 Full tank should do ...
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TCM always sets the service interval to 5K km when I bring my own oil. Apparently, this is just a precaution on their part. They assume your oil is mineral, no matter what's written on the bottle. You can just ignore it and bring it back after 10K km. That's what I did and I didn't get any lectures from the service advisor.
I've switched from TCM's mineral to M1 5W30, GC0W30 and now Redline 0W20. FC about the same. Guess it doesn't make a difference with my style of <2K rpm driving. GC0W30 is a thick 30 weight oil and Redline 0W20 is as thick as some 30 weight oils. Going to try M1 0W30 next. I've checked some Japanese websites and even M1 5W20 is safe for HR15DE.
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bro you can attempt the ECU reset. i did it on mine n the reset works:
http://forum.thelatioclub.org/index.php?topic=6305.0
you will get about 2 tanks of bad FC and the engine will feel like it's new, but subsequently it will improve. give it a try, and update your results in that thread :)
Thanks, Bro for sharing the info. I got lost and confused liao.
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1 Full tank should do ...
I tried 3 tanks liao. All consistently worse then before when it was on mineral EO.
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I tried 3 tanks liao. All consistently worse then before when it was on mineral EO.
Hello HC,
It also depend on your driving pattern and travelling mode, if it is constant, your ECU will adapt quite fast. Hence if after changing EO your FC drop may due to the weight of the EO used. :smile:
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I tried 3 tanks liao. All consistently worse then before when it was on mineral EO.
reset ECU then ... ;)
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reset ECU then ... ;)
Never do it before. How to do huh? Go back TCM?
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Advisable.
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Follow this guide. It's safe and it works:
http://forum.thelatioclub.org/index.php?topic=6305.0
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I got my ride during the CNY promotion which includes free servicing up to 20K km, including EO. Hence, the 10K free servicing using synthetic oil is from TCM foc. Was told by TCM staff that if not during the promotion period and did not get the NPMP promotion package, have to top-up $74 to use its in-house synthetic oil. Otherwise, TCM will use mineral oil for the third free servicing (i.e. 10K servicing).
i think i kenna "ke-tok" by TCM..they charged me $82 instead of $74 for their in-house
synthetic oil during my 10K servicing :mad:
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i think i kenna "ke-tok" by TCM..they charged me $82 instead of $74 for their in-house
synthetic oil during my 10K servicing :mad:
Should be $74 leh (inclusive of GST). I still have the "bill" with me. (TCM charged me the EO and I told them of the CNY promotion and they said "Sorry, mistake. You don't need to pay.") Unless TCM has increased the price now. My price was about month ago leh. In fact, at that time, I planned to get my own EO if I have to top up. Many forumers feel that getting own EO is better than use the one from TCM.
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i juz sent for servicing last sat...dun tell me price increased so much in 1 mth :scared: aiyo..
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they increase it everynow and then.
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i juz sent for servicing last sat...dun tell me price increased so much in 1 mth :scared: aiyo..
What is new here? The price of newspapers on 30 Sept and 1 Oct also different. In terms of percentage, the increase is more than 10%.
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What is new here? The price of newspapers on 30 Sept and 1 Oct also different. In terms of percentage, the increase is more than 10%.
electricity bills will go up more than 22%, compare 30 Sept and 1 Oct :crycry: : :hammer:
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i think i kenna "ke-tok" by TCM..they charged me $82 instead of $74 for their in-house
synthetic oil during my 10K servicing :mad:
Maybe they used Shogun instead of Fastflo. I dunno just guessing. :smile:
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Maybe they used Shogun instead of Fastflo. I dunno just guessing. :smile:
My case was fasflo EO.
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My case was fasflo EO.
So you only paid $74. But Bro Jo_lee may be using Shogun. :smile:
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So you only paid $74. But Bro Jo_lee may be using Shogun. :smile:
That is possible. (Actually I got it FOC as this is part of the CNY promotion package which comes with free servicing of up to 20K km, inclusive of synthetic EO.)
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So you only paid $74. But Bro Jo_lee may be using Shogun. :smile:
maybe lor..i didnt ask what brand is the EO used and invoice also never indicate
the brand..but there is a fastflo sticker on the windscreen so i think shld be
fastflo..now gotta monitor FC..if not much diff then ok lor.
btw, me sis hor..not bro lah :bleh:
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haiz...u r right humblecar...FC indeed drop after 10K service...juz finished my 2nd tank after 10k service last mth..
travelling and driving pattern all the same but FC dropped from 14km/l to 12.9km/l....haiz..
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My case was fasflo EO.
Hi humbercar
fasflo good?
fasflo vs REV 1?
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maybe lor..i didnt ask what brand is the EO used and invoice also never indicate
the brand..but there is a fastflo sticker on the windscreen so i think shld be
fastflo..now gotta monitor FC..if not much diff then ok lor.
btw, me sis hor..not bro lah :bleh:
Hello Sis,
Are you the same person in HWZ ? :smile:
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Hello Sis,
Are you the same person in HWZ ? :smile:
yes yes :cool2:
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Hi humbercar
fasflo good?
fasflo vs REV 1?
Hi Bro, I have not tried REV 1 so cannot comment. But fasflo is giving me worse FC than even mineral EO, and I don't find it that smooth. Thought it should be better FC than mineral EO leh. Dunno what's wrong. Is it EO or my car? Sigh.
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Hi Bro, I have not tried REV 1 so cannot comment. But fasflo is giving me worse FC than even mineral EO, and I don't find it that smooth. Thought it should be better FC than mineral EO leh. Dunno what's wrong. Is it EO or my car? Sigh.
hmm then overall>> even though fastflo is FREE during servicing, i think it is still better to top up to shogun or Armsoil or Redline EO.
At least spend money on EO, hoping that the FC can be better ==> save petrol $$ for the next 10000km.
is redline EO better than Armsoil?
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Hi Bro, I have not tried REV 1 so cannot comment. But fasflo is giving me worse FC than even mineral EO, and I don't find it that smooth. Thought it should be better FC than mineral EO leh. Dunno what's wrong. Is it EO or my car? Sigh.
Hi HC
I see.
I can feel that the REV1 can make the car be more power when i accelerate. Can feel the "momentum" to cheong.
Fastflo is what TCM will give right? So, better dun use if it is not giving good effect. Try Mobil1 or Amsoil then?
Btw, if we sign up for TCM 2yrs package S$1019, if we dont use their EO, we bring our own, will they give discount?
Regards.
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hmm then overall>> even though fastflo is FREE during servicing, i think it is still better to top up to shogun or Armsoil or Redline EO.
At least spend money on EO, hoping that the FC can be better ==> save petrol $$ for the next 10000km.
is redline EO better than Armsoil?
Hi limck007
Shogun ? Given by TCM or Fastflo given by TCM? I am confuse now.
Can topup (mix) the EO in?
Regards.
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Shogun ? Given by TCM or Fastflo given by TCM? I am confuse now.
Can topup (mix) the EO in?
Regards.
I called to ask >> TCM say fastflo is in the NPMP ==> FOC.. but shogun need to TOP-UP some $$ to upgrade...
mixing of EO.. no idea.... Veteran drivers>>any comments on this?
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I called to ask >> TCM say fastflo is in the NPMP ==> FOC.. but shogun need to TOP-UP some $$ to upgrade...
mixing of EO.. no idea.... Veteran drivers>>any comments on this?
Hi Bro, did TCM say top-up how much to use shogun?
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Hi HC
I see.
I can feel that the REV1 can make the car be more power when i accelerate. Can feel the "momentum" to cheong.
Fastflo is what TCM will give right? So, better dun use if it is not giving good effect. Try Mobil1 or Amsoil then?
Btw, if we sign up for TCM 2yrs package S$1019, if we dont use their EO, we bring our own, will they give discount?
Regards.
Mine is not under the 2-year NPMP package. Mine is during CNY promotion where I got free servicing (including EO) up to 20,000 km. When I did my 10K servicing, I called TCM to find out if I can bring my own EO so that whatever amount to be "discounted" be used to offset my future servicing cost after 20K. Answer was "NO" as it is an all-in deal. Can bring own EO, but cannot get anything back from TCM.
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so which is the correct one to use? U mean the technician at TCM do not know wat is the correct rating for the EO to be used? I always tot using synthetic is more for convenient as u can do ur servicing every 10k...
Today is my 3rd free servicing. Checked with the SA at Bukit Timah branch and was told is 5w40.
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Today is my 3rd free servicing. Checked with the SA at Bukit Timah branch and was told is 5w40.
but apparently from what i have search through the internet, w40 give good protection but the FC ok niah. The recommended one for good FC is w30 (correct me if i am wrong) :bleh
for my coming 10K servicing>> think i will bring my own w30 ba
for those veteran drivers>> is the protection coverage and FC improvement by w30 and w40 VERY big difference??
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For me, I always swear by W40 as the punishing local weather, heavy load of the air con compressor on the engine and stop-start city driving creates great stress for the engine.
Fuel economy, if any at all, by using W30 is very minimal.
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I changed to fasflo during 10k servicing. FC is the same as using Mineral EO. Not bad. The better thing is the engine noise. It is more quiet when at 3k rpm.
I'm also on CNY promtion which is free until 20k. Anyone know whether we can sign up for NPMP or not since NPMP is from 20K onwards?
Mine is CVT btw.
Hi Bro, I have not tried REV 1 so cannot comment. But fasflo is giving me worse FC than even mineral EO, and I don't find it that smooth. Thought it should be better FC than mineral EO leh. Dunno what's wrong. Is it EO or my car? Sigh.
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I changed to fasflo during 10k servicing. FC is the same as using Mineral EO. Not bad. The better thing is the engine noise. It is more quiet when at 3k rpm.
I'm also on CNY promtion which is free until 20k. Anyone know whether we can sign up for NPMP or not since NPMP is from 20K onwards?
Mine is CVT btw.
You want to give TCM money, of course they want. The package will consist of 2 As, 1 B and 1 C. In our case with CNY promotion, I believe the sequence of servicing from 30K (which is after the free 20K) will be A, C, A, B (i.e. 40K will be the more thorough C). You can check TCM web to verify the sequence of servicing for the respective mileage.