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Title: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Novellus Legends on May 24, 2009, 09:48:02 PM
I salute your car.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: idiotboi89 on May 24, 2009, 09:59:29 PM
wow.. for every tank 3 and a half tank i use.. he can just use one tank ... damm emo now  :crycry:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ender on May 24, 2009, 10:21:18 PM
Unbelievable
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: hammer99 on May 24, 2009, 10:25:17 PM
Anyone knows who's the winner ?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Midnight on May 24, 2009, 10:37:03 PM
I am more interested in how he or she did it....
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ender on May 24, 2009, 10:39:45 PM
I wonder did that guy had a CNG tank installed..
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: SoL on May 24, 2009, 11:02:24 PM
I'm interested in the tips Nissan gave to the challengers during the briefing. Any bros can share?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Silver on May 25, 2009, 11:54:56 AM
wow.. for every tank 3 and a half tank i use.. he can just use one tank ... damm emo now  :crycry:


your FC is around 8 km/l?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: david1881 on May 25, 2009, 01:20:28 PM
Father & son team  :thumbsup:
I think the slow & steady speed really helped them, they were 2nd last to arrive at final check point.

Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: hwlee on May 25, 2009, 01:22:27 PM
that was amazing. :w00t:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Silver on May 25, 2009, 01:23:59 PM
where can we find the results?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: ac1d6urn on May 25, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
Does this mean our Latio is good in terms of fuel saving or the driver has good driving skill?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: SoL on May 25, 2009, 02:35:25 PM
Skills. Latio is rated around 14km/l, anymore above that and its up to your skills.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ying on May 25, 2009, 02:39:19 PM
IMO
... Latio is good in terms of fuel saving or if the driver has good slow/steady driving skill.

Did the organizer fill the tank for participant or they DIY? Any JB petrol ram tactic on that day?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: david1881 on May 25, 2009, 04:28:01 PM
One unfortunate incident where this Latio Sports tried to reverse in NSE and crashed into a lamp post, fortunately no injuries.

(https://www.sgnissan.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi580.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss247%2Fsurprisecamera%2FB01%2Faccident.jpg&hash=1726cc0abda48e705cbede7c42f0b3977dac9af6)
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: david1881 on May 25, 2009, 04:35:07 PM
IMO
Did the organizer fill the tank for participant or they DIY? Any JB petrol ram tactic on that day?

Fuel filled by participants at start of challenge, 5mins time allowance.  I already give up after 3+mins of "humping".
End of challenge, filled by pump attendant and verified by few marshal, 10mins time allowance.  No "humping", but with 10mins time allowance, they keep filling to the brim and allow air bubble to escape.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: idiotboi89 on May 25, 2009, 08:42:07 PM

your FC is around 8 km/l?

Piang eh i think i dreaming..

28.6km/l  .. assuming 40 litres.. total is 1144
mine 11km/l  assuming 40 litre total is 440

= 2.6 times.. LOl .. think i press sala
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Novellus Legends on May 25, 2009, 09:45:15 PM
Imagine, somemore everyone is running on Fastflo engine oil as given compulsory by the TCM free servicing.....
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: ac1d6urn on May 26, 2009, 04:32:12 PM
Driving in reverse mode can save more petrol? Why did he reversed along North South Highway for no reason?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ying on May 26, 2009, 05:32:49 PM
i think the accident happen in rest area or toll area, hard to find a lamp post along NSHW where you can ramp it without hitting the barrier.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: car_man on May 26, 2009, 09:24:49 PM
i think the accident happen in rest area or toll area, hard to find a lamp post along NSHW where you can ramp it without hitting the barrier.

No la he was having a Kopi at NSHW rest exit and park his car. He dosen't aware his car kana bang until he come out. He ask around and told by people there a lorry bang and ran away liao..Really damn suai..

As for the fuel efficiency, don't forget it running all the way non stop except lunch,that's why it use little fuel to cover the whole 540km journey.I think not only latio, all other 1.6 and below car also can make it wan, just plus minus abit..For me ,i only clock 25.22km/l
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: ac1d6urn on May 27, 2009, 08:41:52 AM
From the damages on his car, it looks most likely his car is hitting against a pole type object...
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: hammer99 on May 27, 2009, 08:50:40 AM
What technique did you use ?
Some Bro drive NSHW also never ever achieve close to 20km/l
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: hwlee on May 27, 2009, 09:24:23 AM
I think those attended the challenge should give us some fuel saving tips here.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: SoL on May 27, 2009, 09:44:47 AM
If you drive at 80km/h non-stop I bet you can get >24km/l.

Of course, take out luggage, and only ferry 2 pple.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: mindman on May 27, 2009, 11:18:32 AM
Father & son team  :thumbsup:
I think the slow & steady speed really helped them, they were 2nd last to arrive at final check point.



So the winner ride a Sport or Sedan. ?? Premium or basic

cheers
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ying on May 27, 2009, 11:31:26 AM
If you drive at 80km/h non-stop I bet you can get >24km/l.

Of course, take out luggage, and only ferry 2 pple.

for CVT, keep the rpm constant or speed constant for better FC?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: hwlee on May 27, 2009, 11:41:02 AM
If you drive at 80km/h non-stop I bet you can get >24km/l.

Of course, take out luggage, and only ferry 2 pple.

I think i should install the "Auto Cruise Control" and DVD Player to my ride... so, I set the speed to 80km/h and watch my show on the DVD player.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ying on May 27, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
I think i should install the "Auto Cruise Control" and DVD Player to my ride... so, I set the speed to 80km/h and watch my show on the DVD player.

dont think so. when you go up hill, it will ram the engine to maintain speed then when go down hill, it use engine brake to reduce the speed to 80km/h. imo a bit waste of petrol.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: car_man on May 27, 2009, 07:34:30 PM
Travel 80-90KM without aircon and must tahan people horn and high beam you.Then you can get 24km/l easily
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Covin on May 27, 2009, 11:12:53 PM
Hi, david1881! Did you join the challenge?  ;D

Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: david1881 on May 27, 2009, 11:54:39 PM
Yes, I joined.  Else how did I capture the pic?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Latiorarri on May 28, 2009, 08:55:49 AM
Travel 80-90KM without aircon and must tahan people horn and high beam you.Then you can get 24km/l easily

Aeh.. dun drive extreme left lah.. centre should be okie mah...
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: whattafarck on May 28, 2009, 09:17:06 AM
Congrats to all who to part in the challenge...
my best is about 14.5km/l...
i think any better than that....we'll have to sacrifice our car comforts like aircon...speed..etc... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ying on May 28, 2009, 09:19:34 AM
Travel 80-90KM without aircon and must tahan people horn and high beam you.Then you can get 24km/l easily

haha then sure got big lorry and bus over take you at left lane. Dont they have any decal for the event that you can paste at your rear?

Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: liewks on May 28, 2009, 10:10:22 AM
Yes, can those who participate please share the secret fuel saving tips? I saw from the program sheet that there was a briefing from an expert.

E.g. maybe something like:

- At what speeds would A/C windows up be better than no A/C windows down 2-inches?
- Ideal rate of acceleration for CVT versus 4AT
- Ideal steady state speed to minimise pumping loses and wind resistance
- Any other secret tricks that can nudge the Latio ECU/TCM into a super efficient
  mode of operation...
- How to climb and descend hills most efficiently
- Can we request TCM to tune our engines for max efficiency and forget about
  power? Sounds silly, but I think some of us prefer this.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Silver on May 28, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
Yes, I joined.  Else how did I capture the pic?

can post the full results?
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: hwlee on May 28, 2009, 10:37:21 AM
Yes, can those who participate please share the secret fuel saving tips? I saw from the program sheet that there was a briefing from an expert.

E.g. maybe something like:

- At what speeds would A/C windows up be better than no A/C windows down 2-inches?
- Ideal rate of acceleration for CVT versus 4AT
- Ideal steady state speed to minimise pumping loses and wind resistance
- Any other secret tricks that can nudge the Latio ECU/TCM into a super efficient
  mode of operation...
- How to climb and descend hills most efficiently
- Can we request TCM to tune our engines for max efficiency and forget about
  power? Sounds silly, but I think some of us prefer this.

Thanks.

Agree.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Silver on May 28, 2009, 01:30:25 PM
TCM just uploaded the results, write-up and photographs on their website :

http://www.nissan.com.sg/NISSAN_FUEL.pdf
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Huatster888 on May 28, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
cool......i should hve went damn....so free tis month....poooooo
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.6km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: spyder_696 on June 01, 2009, 05:40:16 PM
I'm interested in the tips Nissan gave to the challengers during the briefing. Any bros can share?


if want to get better efficiency, shld maintain engine rpm btw 1.5 - 2k no matter what... this is mentioned by nissan engineers in japan to the GT driver who took part in the event for latio CVT/4AT only... but all this happen at highway speed...
my personal best with aircon on at close to constant 110km/hr for long distance is 15.X km/hr...
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: spyder_696 on June 01, 2009, 05:42:12 PM
I think i should install the "Auto Cruise Control" and DVD Player to my ride... so, I set the speed to 80km/h and watch my show on the DVD player.

crusie control will not give u better efficiency at up slope or down slope section.. only good when totally flat road... cos up slope or down slope the valve will go hey wired due to the gradient... flat road work best for it...
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: maxngck on June 01, 2009, 08:56:24 PM
Hi hi!

I was on my way up to Perlis on the competetion day. on my way, saw many participant were driving quite slow (or mayb i was driving abit too fast  :bleh:) and with window down. did give them friendly horn but seem like they got no respond  :(. anyway, the best Fc i achieved was 16 km/l nia  :weep:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ying on June 01, 2009, 09:20:13 PM
Hi hi!

I was on my way up to Perlis on the competetion day. on my way, saw many participant were driving quite slow (or mayb i was driving abit too fast  :bleh:) and with window down. did give them friendly horn but seem like they got no respond  :(. anyway, the best Fc i achieved was 16 km/l nia  :weep:

I think they kena horn till numb liao  :bleh:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: maxngck on June 01, 2009, 09:32:51 PM
I think they kena horn till numb liao  :bleh:

maybe lor  :bleh: but hor i horn them when i was near to them and on the next lane.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Ying on June 01, 2009, 10:02:36 PM
what is the "official" fuel? Shell 98?

use 92 on my way to Melaka, FC(km/l) not as good as 95. I think 92 is good for normal driving, if drive long distance where engin gets hotter should use higher grade.

If we measure FC by $$ per trip then 92 better lah.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: maxngck on June 02, 2009, 07:15:19 AM
in m'sia i sure whack vpower one. cheap cheap leh. only RM2.05/ L which is about SGD0.85/ L. i need alot power on the HW. give me more confident when over-taking.  :devil2:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: spyder_696 on June 02, 2009, 09:48:20 AM
I think they kena horn till numb liao  :bleh:

i was in the convoy too... but no one actually horned at me ley :p
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: maxngck on June 02, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
i was in the convoy too... but no one actually horned at me ley :p

got see my car anot  :devil2:
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: AhXiong on June 02, 2009, 01:43:06 PM
Really salute the champ sia.  :thumbsup:
On my recently trip to melaka, I had only clocked 14.x km/l (Air con @ 23 speed 3, 4 adults, speed 90+ to 120+).
A big surprise that with air con, weight and speed the FC is actually affected by so much. 28km/l to 14+ km/l
 
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: SoL on June 02, 2009, 03:32:31 PM
AC off, 2 adults, speed at 80km/h, you can probably get 20km/l easily. The rest depends on refining your driving techniques, like braking, throttle position, coasting etc.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: spyder_696 on June 02, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
got see my car anot  :devil2:

no ley.. am actually watching dvd... LOL...
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: spyder_696 on June 02, 2009, 04:22:35 PM
Really salute the champ sia.  :thumbsup:
On my recently trip to melaka, I had only clocked 14.x km/l (Air con @ 23 speed 3, 4 adults, speed 90+ to 120+).
A big surprise that with air con, weight and speed the FC is actually affected by so much. 28km/l to 14+ km/l
 

i think speed n weight is the killer for fuel... not much of aircon...
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: SoL on June 02, 2009, 08:26:00 PM
Actually I've read experiment reports saying even full windows down is more fuel efficient than AC on.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: junchen on June 04, 2009, 06:27:01 PM
hi guys,

i'm one of the participants in the challenge, though i finished 3rd or 4th last!

Here's my data:
FC: 20.8 km / l
Avg rpm: 2000 rpm
avg spd: 80-100kmh (esp the return journey back to jb. damn tired liao, so just drive normally).
Aircon: on
Radio: on
Passengers: 2 (total weight: 76 + 55 = 121kg)
Car: latio basic sedan
Transmission: 4AT of course

My regular FC in Singapore is 12-13km/l, 50% highway, 50% city. Thus, am pleasantly surprised at the FC i got, though it was 80%-85% highway driving. Drove mainly on the left lane of the NSH, as all the cars are rushing past me.

For FL latio, there's a avg fuel consumption and instantaneous fuel consumption. I try to keep the Instantaneous fuel consumption to 4 or 5 litres per 100km, and that showed me when to accelerate and when to let it cruise. quite an effective driver aid.

anyway this latio is quite good lar. comfortable in NSH, quiet in cruising.

I must also salute the Tan Chong staffs in organizing the activity. They are professional and friendly, and i thoroughly enjoyed myself, except during the return journey after lunch when i start to fall asleep at the wheel.....

A
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Covin on June 08, 2009, 02:25:48 PM
I'm interested in the tips Nissan gave to the challengers during the briefing. Any bros can share?

Hi,

We are one of the participants in the challenge. FC: 25km / l

1)Vehicle Overrall weight: Avoid carrying unnecessary cargo to enable vehicle
to move on light weight.
: Always keep sufficient petrol & increase frequency of visit to gasoline station.
"Half full is lighter than full tank"

2)Tire sizes & Pressure Setting
: Oversize tires increase road contacts & higher friction, thus consume more fuel.
: Over inflated tires give better mileage but bumpy ride & higher wear on center thread.
: Under inflated tires consume more fuel due to higher frictional road contact & wear on both shoulders.
: Maintain correct tire pressure setting to save fuel & prolong tire lifespan.

3)Vehicle usage
: <Picking, cruising & reversing>
: Light & gradual accelerator pedaling is best for economy driving. Avoid hard & excessive pedaling. Reverse on engine idling speed is most ideal.

<Waiting in vehicle>
: Shut engine if you need to wait in vehicle. Idling speed consume more fuel due to rich air fuel mixture.

<Free wheeling (Release Accelerator Pedal)>
: Release accelarator pedal when approaching traffic red light & cruising down

slope. Allow vehicle to roll forward by vehicle speed momentum to save fuel.

4)Route planning
: Plan your route before setting off.

5)Air conditioner setting
: Air con compressor take up 10% fuel consumption.
: Best temperature setting, 21 - 23 degree for day & 24 - 25 degree for evening.

6)Proper periodical maintenance
: Fuel injection engines need equipments & diagnosis computer from manufacturer to tune to factory optimum specification.
: Engine control module & auto-transmission module are two most important in-car computers to be programmed periodically due to influence from radio waves or telecommunication signals.
: Engine oil & ATF must meet specification for smooth running of engine &
gearbox moving parts. Periodical maintenance is utmost importance. Merely an oil change is insufficient to obtain optimum performance. Complete maintenance package as per manufacturer recommendation is most ideal.

7) Fuel selection
: High octane fuel is expensive & may not be necessary.
: Recommend octane 95 which is well above octane 92 0r 91 as recommended by manufacturer.
: Spending on higher octane fuel can be saved to buy more mileage by using octane 95 fuel.

8) Driving habits - Gradual acceleration <Most effective for fuel economy>
: Hard & rapid acceleration during pickup will not necessary speed up vehicle but only consume more fuel. <keep below 2200RPM>
: Auto gear change is governed by control module in relation to vehicle speed & engine throttle opening.
:Most economical cruising range is at 4th gear <OD> where engine RPM is at 1500-1900 RPM with vehicle speed around 70 - 80km/hr.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: hwlee on June 08, 2009, 02:36:28 PM
thanks covin.
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Covin on June 08, 2009, 03:21:31 PM
Hi guys,

Sorry for key in wrongly for the Fuel 95 into fuel 59 :bleh: Do correction liao, hehe.

I was follow the Nissan briefing notes to type for the sentence "Most economical cursing range" blah blah... I not sure its wrong or correct for the word <cursing> sorry ya :D

Have a nice day!

Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Covin on June 08, 2009, 03:32:21 PM
Hi,

me again, LOL. Called to Alvin, just know that the spelling is wrong for the briefing notes. Alvin told me that during the briefing, everyone was laughing at this word, "cursing". M_m I guess i mostly fall Zzzz when attended the briefing. Anyway, i'm sorry.

"Cruising" is the correct word, not cursing :smile:

thanks, Silver!
 
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Silver on June 08, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
you are very welcome and don't worry

it was great of you to inform us of the "tips" given during the briefing

hope to see you both at the monthly meet-ups
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Covin on June 08, 2009, 05:50:55 PM
you are very welcome and don't worry

it was great of you to inform us of the "tips" given during the briefing

hope to see you both at the monthly meet-ups


See ya  ;)
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: NSman on June 08, 2009, 08:39:05 PM
Hmm, There is a full acticle about the winner in tonight lian he wan bao (联合晚报)
Title: Re: Congratz and salute to the 28.3km/l Fuel Frugal Challenge winner
Post by: Covin on June 08, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
Here is a link to Yahoo SG on FC and tips on saving $$$ from Shell.

http://sg.drivesmart.yahoo.com/