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Offline nakshire

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A question on the octanes
« on: November 03, 2009, 02:18:37 PM »
From all the threads that I read... (teachers nowadays really eng...)

RON92 - Just nice, our latio can use. More draggy, loss of power over time.

RON95 - Most people are using this. Wonder why... but it seems like people are comfortable with paying slightly little more for better performance of the car.

RON98 - Most people say waste money. Just pump 95 will do.

V-Power - superior petrol. Used once in a while to let the car drink 'chicken essence'... wtf? hmmm, what does it really do?



I've been pumping 92 until the car is super duper slow in acceleration. Press in deep deep still not much power. But I was ok with it, not my dad.

So he went to pump caltex98 the other day and then the car went like "VROOOMMM!!!!", overtaking, accelerating.. and even the smoothness increased tremendously. It feels as if the car wants to surge further up the speedo.

I continued this on the 2nd tank, used 98 and the effect is getting better and better: response, acceleration, smoothness... everything increased.


My question:
how is this different from 95? Since it gives me so much comfort in driving, why are people choosing 95 over 98?
« Last Edit: November 03, 2009, 02:20:21 PM by nakshire »

Offline IcyFire

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 02:43:50 PM »
The answer is balance. How much are you willing to pay for the extra power be it real or perceived?

Looking at the descriptions of fuels, between 95 and 98, do you really see a difference beyond the RON numbers?

http://www.exxonmobil.com.sg/files/PA/AP/Synergy_Fuel_System_FAQ.pdf

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 05:45:04 PM »
I support Caltex also. After my servicing, i had several tanks of Esso/Mobil Ron 95. Clocked between 430 - 440km with 34 litres.

When i switched to Caltex Ron 95, I clocked 480-490km with 34 litres.

No regrets.

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 11:15:47 PM »
I support Caltex also. After my servicing, i had several tanks of Esso/Mobil Ron 95. Clocked between 430 - 440km with 34 litres.

When i switched to Caltex Ron 95, I clocked 480-490km with 34 litres.

No regrets.

hi bro,

is ur mileage on caltex consistent? i wana try.. cos my mileage on esso same as yours. hv u tried esso 98 and caltex 98 as well?

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 12:07:05 PM »
Nakshire,

Most people pump 95RON as it gives adequate power withouit compromise on preceived underpower on 92RON.


95RON is 5 cents more expensive than 92RON

BUT

98RON is 10 cents more expensive thgan 98RON

So many may feel it is more "affordable" to splurge a little more on 95RON, although techically, 92RON suffices for Latio.

http://www.petrolwatch.com.sg/

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 07:37:44 PM »
hi bro,

is ur mileage on caltex consistent? i wana try.. cos my mileage on esso same as yours. hv u tried esso 98 and caltex 98 as well?

so far my mileage on caltex is very consistent... running at 13.8km/l

Nakshire,

Most people pump 95RON as it gives adequate power withouit compromise on preceived underpower on 92RON.


95RON is 5 cents more expensive than 92RON

BUT

98RON is 10 cents more expensive thgan 98RON

So many may feel it is more "affordable" to splurge a little more on 95RON, although techically, 92RON suffices for Latio.

http://www.petrolwatch.com.sg/

i see, so your point is... no matter what octane it is, its just petrol. right?

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 08:38:23 AM »
Hi bro,
read yr experience with caltex,
infact i had the same feeling after switch from mobil 95(using for 2yr plus) to mobil 98(3 mnths) then to caltex 98 (2mths till now). Feel the car more responsive, quieter and no-more engine pinging.

Guess i will using with caltex 98 for a while longer.....

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2009, 09:11:45 AM »
Hi bro,
read yr experience with caltex,
infact i had the same feeling after switch from mobil 95(using for 2yr plus) to mobil 98(3 mnths) then to caltex 98 (2mths till now). Feel the car more responsive, quieter and no-more engine pinging.

Guess i will using with caltex 98 for a while longer.....

its like the car got power hor... more shiok right... i dun mind paying $2-3 more for this feeling in my rides... haha

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2009, 12:58:03 PM »
Yes, I pump 98 and like the "power" feeling.  Used 95 for a few months previously, cannot take the slow response.  Don't mind to pay a bit more to enjoy the accelaration.

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2009, 01:21:03 PM »
base petrol should more or less the same but the additive formula is different.

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2009, 03:03:23 PM »
Hi bro,
read yr experience with caltex,
infact i had the same feeling after switch from mobil 95(using for 2yr plus) to mobil 98(3 mnths) then to caltex 98 (2mths till now). Feel the car more responsive, quieter and no-more engine pinging.

Guess i will using with caltex 98 for a while longer.....

My Latio does not have pinging or knocking sound on Esso 95.

Your car may have some faults. Send it to tan Chong for a check.

Latio can accept even 92RON.

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 02:02:03 AM »
hi bro,

is ur mileage on caltex consistent? i wana try.. cos my mileage on esso same as yours. hv u tried esso 98 and caltex 98 as well?

Hi gunner, yes, my mileage on caltex is constant.
I actually begin Caltex.
Then i switch to Esso/Mobil, use Citibank Dividend to accumulate up to $50 rebate to get the cheque. That is the time when i notice mileage deteriorates.
After i accumulated the $50 for my dividend card, i switch back to caltex and got back my prev FC....

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2009, 11:51:35 AM »
base petrol should more or less the same but the additive formula is different.
yup, they are all about the same. used to work at Caltex and my colleagues told me these:

from Mr A (retail): of course on a personal basis, else he will loose his job... hahahaha  :D
RON92 = RON92, RON95 = RON95, RON98 = RON98
differences are in the additives (e.g. cleaning agents to clear the injectors and piston head, aid combustion, etc) and color dyes (that's why some red, some green, some yellow in color) added to support marketing claims of "cleaner greener" gasoline.
we’re basically paying a lot more for a little bit differential gain  :bleh:

from Mr B (oil trading): much more technical
although RON levels may be the same, geographical source of the crude makes a difference. crude extracted from different regions have different compositions of hydrocarbon and thus affects the “quality” and pricing of gasoline derived.

the petroleum industry generally classifies crude oil by the geographic source (e.g. saudi, russia, malaysia, etc.), its API gravity (density), and by its sulfur content. crude is considered light if it has low density (heavy if high density) and categorized as sweet if it contains relatively little sulfur, or sour if it contains substantial amounts of sulfur.
light crude is more desirable as it produces a higher yield of gasoline, sweet crude requires less refining to reduce sulfur contents (there are controls to max sulfur levels allowable to meet environmental standards).

problem is, we won't get to know where the gasoline is from which crude source unless we are “insiders”  :crying:
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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2009, 01:23:16 PM »
currently using esso out of convenience and 5%+5% discount... nearest kiosk is only about 200+m away from my house. with esso-dbs mastercard + speedpass, i get 10% discount and lots of convenience.

tried synergy 2000, 5000 and 8000 but settled down with 5000 as it gave best value on response, FC and price. used to pump platinum and sometimes v-power but they're way toooo expensive in Sg... MY no issue  :D
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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2009, 07:47:09 PM »
currently using esso out of convenience and 5%+5% discount... nearest kiosk is only about 200+m away from my house. with esso-dbs mastercard + speedpass, i get 10% discount and lots of convenience.

tried synergy 2000, 5000 and 8000 but settled down with 5000 as it gave best value on response, FC and price. used to pump platinum and sometimes v-power but they're way toooo expensive in Sg... MY no issue  :D

Wondering is SG Esso 5000 the same as JB Esso 5000.
Will they be any damage if we pump slightly more petrol after the pump has triggered full.

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Re: A question on the octanes
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2009, 10:41:12 PM »
no problem at all, can fill in as much as your tank can contain.

have you seen drivers "shake" their car after the trigger full activated stop? especially so when at JB petrol kiosks or when a big discount is given.

when we activate the pump trigger, pressurised petrol is "shot" into the tank causing lots of bubbles inside the tank. air bubbles take up space and level rises faster than actual volume occupied by petrol. thus when the trigger automatically stops (a built-in safety feature to prevent overflow), the tank is not actually full. by shaking the car, those drivers hope to rid the trapped air and make space for more petrol.

personally, i don't do that as the difference is not substantial enough to warrant such less than graceful act  ;)
you may want to try topping up your tank to full at intervals instead of one "blast". try releasing the trigger for a few seconds after every 10~15L to allow bubbles to escape, slow down the fill rate by controlling the trigger level for the final few litres and you may likely obtain the same effect of shaking the car to maximise intake. takes a bit more time but definitely looks more graceful  :w00t:

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