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Title: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: baobao on September 14, 2008, 12:46:58 AM
Enjoy.. The New City!!!
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Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: HumbleCar on September 14, 2008, 11:51:30 AM
What is so fierce about it??
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: detach8 on September 14, 2008, 12:47:25 PM
looks good. way better than the current fugly city  :bleh:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 14, 2008, 02:49:13 PM
But still Thai assembled and local Thai sourced content has been increased by 10% to 93%!

Why pay Japanese prices for a Thai assembled car?   ::)
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: gh05tss on September 14, 2008, 03:07:50 PM
But still Thai assembled and local Thai sourced content has been increased by 10% to 93%!

Why pay Japanese prices for a Thai assembled car?   ::)

They don't all those Thaiyota for nothing... :bleh:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on September 14, 2008, 03:29:08 PM
It another alternative for those like the H badge but unable or not willing to pay premiums for the Civic. It should be a Vios and Latio killer if they priced around $60K.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 14, 2008, 04:51:21 PM
New Vios J auto is priced at $49,988 now. Facelifted Latio is priced at $52,000 now.

In comparison, $60,000 is overpriced for new Honda City.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: gh05tss on September 14, 2008, 05:40:21 PM
New Vios J auto is priced at $49,988 now. Facelifted Latio is priced at $52,000 now.

In comparison, $60,000 is overpriced for new Honda City.

2K diff between a Thai and a Jap made...isn't the choice seems clear?
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on September 14, 2008, 05:53:05 PM
Yep, H badge is always overpriced but why still so popular ? Branding. Why some people choose Levi over Giodano jeans, same explanation.

Vios or City is not Thai made, engines is till from Sushi, is just Tomyum assembled.  :smile:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: gh05tss on September 14, 2008, 06:00:07 PM
Yep, H badge is always overpriced but why still so popular ? Branding. Why some people choose Levi over Giodano jeans, same explanation.

Vios or City is not Thai made, engines is till from Sushi, is just Tomyum assembled.  :smile:

will u buy a Japan engine, Thai assembled latio? I won't...after seeing my friends city, vios, altis, fortuner etc etc
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 14, 2008, 08:00:23 PM
Despite the bad service at Tan Chong Motors, I must say Latio is still good value for money at $52,000.

Another in the same league worth considering is the Suzuki SX4. Same price as Latio.

The general feedback from my friends and colleagues who currently, or previously have owned Thai assembled cars like Altis, Vios, City is that the QC & materials used are not as good as true blue 100% Japanese assembled ones.

Thai assembled cars' OMV are also lower, resulting in lower scrap value.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 14, 2008, 08:30:39 PM
2K diff between a Thai and a Jap made...isn't the choice seems clear?

I just found out the exact price for the Thai assembled 2009 Honda City 1.5 auto (basic model) - a WHOPPING $61,500!!!, or $9,500 more expensive than the Japan assembled latest facelift Latio 1.5 auto.   :ohmy:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: gh05tss on September 14, 2008, 10:03:38 PM
I just found out the exact price for the Thai assembled 2009 Honda City 1.5 auto (basic model) - a WHOPPING $61,500!!!, or $9,500 more expensive than the Japan assembled latest facelift Latio 1.5 auto.   :ohmy:

No to worry, in singapore we won't lacj of suckers that why still pay that premium as they think it for the Premium Ownership. :out:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: baobao on September 15, 2008, 10:55:26 AM
I just found out the exact price for the Thai assembled 2009 Honda City 1.5 auto (basic model) - a WHOPPING $61,500!!!, or $9,500 more expensive than the Japan assembled latest facelift Latio 1.5 auto.   :ohmy:

OMG!! $61,500??  How come so exp???
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 15, 2008, 04:06:25 PM
"New" Corolla Altis (carried over engine - same engine as 2000 model Corolla) was selling for a whopping $69,988 in April 2008 !!!  :zipped:

Now just 5 months later, with COE prices still the same, prices have dropped by $10,000 to $59,988.  :blink:

Congrats to those who bought during the launch. They helped Borneo Motors subsidise the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent in its numerous TV and newspaper ads.  :bleh:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 15, 2008, 04:07:27 PM
OMG!! $61,500??  How come so exp???

Because it is a Honda.

You are paying for the brand.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: darrylker on September 15, 2008, 10:45:09 PM
I just found out the exact price for the Thai assembled 2009 Honda City 1.5 auto (basic model) - a WHOPPING $61,500!!!, or $9,500 more expensive than the Japan assembled latest facelift Latio 1.5 auto.   :ohmy:

Woah...that's a rather steep price for the Honda City....well guess its paying for the brandname...is the basic model idsl engine or vtec?
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on September 15, 2008, 10:58:11 PM
Woah...that's a rather steep price for the Honda City....well guess its paying for the brandname...is the basic model idsl engine or vtec?

It i-vtec.  :D
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: baobao on September 16, 2008, 08:01:19 AM
I believe they stopped the idsi liao..
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 16, 2008, 11:16:40 AM
It i-vtec.  :D

i-VTEC is good only for high rev and hard driving, when the valves are activated and open up to induce more air into the engine.

For normal driving, it is not of much use to pay such a high premium.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on September 16, 2008, 11:45:06 AM
i-VTEC is good only for high rev and hard driving, when the valves are activated and open up to induce more air into the engine.

For normal driving, it is not of much use to pay such a high premium.

Yep. Civic activate when rpm reaches 4800rpm. It like supercharged engine.  :thumbsup:

You pay premium for the technology.  :smile:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 16, 2008, 11:49:03 AM
The aceleration can be additive.   :devil2:

By the way, I don't think this is new technology. VTEC has been around for almost 20 years, first seen in the 1992 EG series Honda Civic .
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on September 16, 2008, 11:52:38 AM
The aceleration can be additive.   :devil2:

By the way, I don't think this is new technology. VTEC has been around for almost 20 years, first seen in the 1992 EG series Honda Civic .

noticed the i infront ? It vtec with intelligence.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 16, 2008, 12:01:10 PM
Just like Toyota's i-VVTi.

Just a slight improvement over the old VTEC.

Marketing hype to some extent.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on September 16, 2008, 12:10:40 PM
Toyota is dual vvti la which is not available in SG. Where got i-vvti?  :blink:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: detach8 on September 16, 2008, 12:14:44 PM
bwah... 60k... singapore where got chance hit 4000+rpm. today morning drive to tanjong pagar my average speed was 30km/h lor. 4000rpm... gear 1 maybe.

aye why u all compare latio with vios.. i think it's an unfair comparison leh.. not that i am biased, but i think latio is more suited to match against thaiyota altis, honda civic. it is a mid-range sedan. although it is priced cheap, it cannot be compared that way. i think we got a good deal. i do agree latio looks abit weird and squarish, esp. the sedan version, but ayiah u spend 90% of the time inside the car!

right after latio is the cefiro liao. that one is a camry / accord comparison car leh. if want to compare vios, use nissan march lorh. march interior trim still beats the vios and city hands down.

i drove the old march... even after 13 years the interior is still good. 100% sushi made car. i used to drive a renault van. 5 years after the fabric threads start to come out liao.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on September 16, 2008, 12:27:25 PM
Civic FD1 and FD2 has paddle shift. Thus you able to drag your rpm like dragging your gear.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: burnolise on September 16, 2008, 03:45:31 PM
bwah... 60k... singapore where got chance hit 4000+rpm. today morning drive to tanjong pagar my average speed was 30km/h lor. 4000rpm... gear 1 maybe.

aye why u all compare latio with vios.. i think it's an unfair comparison leh.. not that i am biased, but i think latio is more suited to match against thaiyota altis, honda civic. it is a mid-range sedan. although it is priced cheap, it cannot be compared that way. i think we got a good deal. i do agree latio looks abit weird and squarish, esp. the sedan version, but ayiah u spend 90% of the time inside the car!

right after latio is the cefiro liao. that one is a camry / accord comparison car leh. if want to compare vios, use nissan march lorh. march interior trim still beats the vios and city hands down.

i drove the old march... even after 13 years the interior is still good. 100% sushi made car. i used to drive a renault van. 5 years after the fabric threads start to come out liao.

Totally agree with you...I used to drive a thaiyota altis...after 6 months, suspension hit rock bottom and after 1.5yrs...interior starts to peel....damn sian...since i paid 63k for it back in 2005... :weep:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on September 16, 2008, 03:54:55 PM
Now for the same money, you can get the latest Altis, with a new body,  :bleh: but still with the same old engine found in your 2005 Altis.  :blink:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: burnolise on September 16, 2008, 04:58:56 PM
Now for the same money, you can get the latest Altis, with a new body,  :bleh: but still with the same old engine found in your 2005 Altis.  :blink:

Actually, I promise myself tat i will never ever get a toyota again....had very bad experience with sales person from Borneo...nowadays not so bad...back in 2005 where everyone is buying toyota...they were really snobbish and bad in their service....if i ever had to buy toyota again...i will buy from PI and only JDI models....:glare:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: baobao on September 16, 2008, 08:58:20 PM
Actually, I promise myself tat i will never ever get a toyota again....had very bad experience with sales person from Borneo...nowadays not so bad...back in 2005 where everyone is buying toyota...they were really snobbish and bad in their service....if i ever had to buy toyota again...i will buy from PI and only JDI models....:glare:

Haha.. i used to have bad exp with toyota before when i buying my 1st car..   ;D
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: HumbleCar on September 17, 2008, 10:44:37 AM
"New" Corolla Altis (carried over engine - same engine as 2000 model Corolla) was selling for a whopping $69,988 in April 2008 !!!  :zipped:

Now just 5 months later, with COE prices still the same, prices have dropped by $10,000 to $59,988.  :blink:

Congrats to those who bought during the launch. They helped Borneo Motors subsidise the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent in its numerous TV and newspaper ads.  :bleh:
I believe it is the same for all new car launches.  The launch price is always high and it will start to drop within the first few months.  Better be patient and pay less for the same car, unless you want to be amongst the first few people seen driving the new model.  However, the novelty feeling will wear out soon.  Worse, should there be problems, you will also be the first few to experience them.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: burnolise on September 17, 2008, 11:16:10 AM
I believe it is the same for all new car launches.  The launch price is always high and it will start to drop within the first few months.  Better be patient and pay less for the same car, unless you want to be amongst the first few people seen driving the new model.  However, the novelty feeling will wear out soon.  Worse, should there be problems, you will also be the first few to experience them.

Personally, I didn't think toyota cars from borneo are worth buying....i think it is very over-priced for the kind of quality and service tat u get from them....the worst part it...after i bought the car...after 1 year...i felt ripped off....now after i sold the car for more than 6 mths...they still call me every now and then to tell me tat my car is due for servicing....:mad:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: HumbleCar on September 17, 2008, 12:23:48 PM
..now after i sold the car for more than 6 mths...they still call me every now and then to tell me tat my car is due for servicing....:mad:

I also received SMS from TCM to remind me that my previous Nissan car was due for servicing.  I traded-in the previous car through TCM agent.  This means TCM never update its record.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: burnolise on September 17, 2008, 01:32:05 PM
I also received SMS from TCM to remind me that my previous Nissan car was due for servicing.  I traded-in the previous car through TCM agent.  This means TCM never update its record.

Ermmm....I was talking abt my old altis from borneo....:devil2:...but i  guess all of them got the same problem of database not updated... :blink:
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: westresting on September 17, 2008, 01:32:58 PM
 hi bros and sis

Anyone know the current price of latio premium?

Can't decide which to buy ... Latio or Axio..any comments. :confused1:

Thank you


Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: burnolise on September 17, 2008, 01:39:50 PM
hi bros and sis

Anyone know the current price of latio premium?

Can't decide which to buy ... Latio or Axio..any comments. :confused1:

Thank you

Saw Axio the other day at BPP ground floor exhibiting....looks nice on the outside...but inside very uncle and yet spacious....was surprise to find out tat it is 1.5 only and i remembered asking the price to be 60+k....a bit expensive for a 1.5....wonder if it is under-powered with such a big car body...
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: detach8 on September 18, 2008, 03:57:29 PM
few things i compare latio to axio

during the time i compare, axio was expensive (almost 60k) but latio is cheaper (55k). not sure about now.

axio has less load capacity than latio. anybody got exact numbers?

axio is parallel import, which i do not trust. i have friends with very bad experience with PI, especially if COE price go crazy, they will come out all kinds of excuse ask you to top up. i rather pay 2-3k more for agent to deal with the car.

fc wise, axio is better than latio based on what i learnt

latio's interior is of better quality and i prefer the latio's interior design as well. axio looks very "plastic".

axio looks better on the outside, but a latio with DS3 bodykit looks quite decent also actually.

latio front seats not very comfortable due to bad headrest design. back seats are ok. cannot comment on axio at the moment.

anybody knows the OMV of axio? i think not very high as well.
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: detach8 on September 18, 2008, 04:05:20 PM
here's what i got from oneshift.com

Axio
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Average FC 13.8 km/l
Engine cap 1496 cc
Engine type Straight 4 cyl, 16 valve, DOHC
Power 110 bhp / 6k rpm
Torque 140 Nm / 4.4k rpm
0-100km/h 12s
Max speed 180 km/h
Power to weight 97.35
BHP/litre 73.5 bhp/litre

Latio (4AT)
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Average FC 13.9 km/l
Engine cap 1498 cc
Engine type Straight 4 cyl, 16 valve, DOHC
Power 109 bhp / 6k rpm
Torque 148 Nm / 4.4k rpm
0-100km/h 12s
Max speed 175 km/h
Power to weight 98.2
BHP/litre 72.8 bhp/litre
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: westresting on October 01, 2008, 02:16:25 PM
hi everyone

Thank for all he input. Still can't decide which car (Latio, Atlis and City)to buy now with the new honda city in the picture. But Latio seems to be the best value for money and Jap made.

Cheers
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on October 01, 2008, 11:59:01 PM
You can also consider the following cars which are relatively new models and are 100% made in Japan and are cheaper than Latio

Daihatsu Materia 1.5
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=10383

Suzuki SX4 sedan 1.6
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=10488

Subaru Impreza 1.6
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=10501

Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: burnolise on October 02, 2008, 08:58:44 AM
You can also consider the following cars which are relatively new models and are 100% made in Japan and are cheaper than Latio

Daihatsu Materia 1.5
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=10383

Suzuki SX4 sedan 1.6
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=10488

Subaru Impreza 1.6
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=10501

Dun buy subaru impreza....drove the europe version one when i was oversea working for a few months....horrible car...small interior with a heavy body....lack of power and steering wheel over-powered...when i was driving at 90-100kph, the steering feels so loose tat with a flick of ur hand...u can send it spinning like a super fast merry-go-round.....plus it is not even as fuel efficient as Mazda 3.....
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: clarence on October 02, 2008, 09:37:02 AM
In terms of the 3 choices, each has its strengths and weaknesses.

The Impreza scores in terms of high speed and cornering stability, and has a WOW factor in the additive growl of its boxer engine but sacrifices with a cramped rear interior and high fuel consumption due to its All Wheel Drive (AWD). Its aging interior may be a turn off for some.

The SX4 Sedan's fully automatic air-conditioning system keeps you the cool without any effort. The premium factory audio system is zen-like stylish and keeps you entertained with superb audio quality. The centre display and instrument cluster are stylish and the three spoke leather clad steering wheel comes with audio control and an SRS airbag. The centre console does not have a plastic feel of the Materia and Impreza. Inerior head room is akin to that of a SUV, with one of largest boot in its class.

The Materia's look may not suit everyone's taste, but its Toyota engine gives it a thumbs up - Toyota engine without a premium. Its 60/40 seats configuration means you
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: burnolise on October 02, 2008, 10:02:28 AM
In terms of the 3 choices, each has its strengths and weaknesses.

The Impreza scores in terms of high speed and cornering stability, and has a WOW factor in the additive growl of its boxer engine but sacrifices with a cramped rear interior and high fuel consumption due to its All Wheel Drive (AWD). Its aging interior may be a turn off for some.

The SX4 Sedan's fully automatic air-conditioning system keeps you the cool without any effort. The premium factory audio system is zen-like stylish and keeps you entertained with superb audio quality. The centre display and instrument cluster are stylish and the three spoke leather clad steering wheel comes with audio control and an SRS airbag. The centre console does not have a plastic feel of the Materia and Impreza. Inerior head room is akin to that of a SUV, with one of largest boot in its class.

The Materia's look may not suit everyone's taste, but its Toyota engine gives it a thumbs up - Toyota engine without a premium. Its 60/40 seats configuration means you
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: latio79 on October 02, 2008, 10:33:29 AM
hi everyone

Thank for all he input. Still can't decide which car (Latio, Atlis and City)to buy now with the new honda city in the picture. But Latio seems to be the best value for money and Jap made.

Cheers


Thought you should also consider Lancer Ex.
Heard its interior is also spacious and its exterior
is :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: HumbleCar on October 02, 2008, 02:50:28 PM
The Materia's look may not suit everyone's taste, but its Toyota engine gives it a thumbs up - Toyota engine without a premium. Its 60/40 seats configuration means you
Title: Re: Another fierce Nippon Car..
Post by: Jazz on October 02, 2008, 10:14:09 PM
U do car review for magazines is it?? Haha...u write like a pro...but for the subaru impreza, i beg to differ abt the stability at highspeed....the over-powered steering wheel makes it diffcult to control the angle to enter a corner......u end up whirling a little to left and right at entry, while negotiating and exit a bend or corner....

Copied like a pro you mean. Anyway, TS is good at corners due to boxer engine which minimise the G force, second to it should be Mazda3, therefore I disagree about your comment about the TS.  :smile: