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Title: car servicing package
Post by: foofam77 on May 09, 2009, 02:11:34 PM
my 2-years NPMP with TCM coming to an end soon...any recommendation for car servicing package?

hope to be near sengkang, hougang area...thanks..
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: rocket on May 13, 2009, 12:05:36 AM
how about your 2-years NPMP? good?
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: foofam77 on May 13, 2009, 06:37:29 PM
not too bad...got it complimentary as a form of some compensation..
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: valeon on May 17, 2009, 06:57:49 PM

Bro, you may try Autosaver at Defu Lane 9.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: pchmj on May 17, 2009, 08:50:03 PM
I find the NPMP not bad, there are many hidden cost if you do outside.

Change auto/cvt transmission oil, other oil if need to top up they will do. Change brake pad, wiper, tire balancing, air-con gas, filters, spark plug. Got whatever problem just tell them. The only thing is the fastflo engine oil not sure how good is it compared to other branded ones, can't find info on it. Their prices seems not that bad compared to other AD. Considering to take up another NPMP when servicing is due. Going to reach 60k soon so need to change cvt oil.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: limck007 on May 17, 2009, 10:12:49 PM
so far,>> i have been using fastflo after 10K servicing ..
now is 13500km liao..

so far, my comments on Fastflo>>

1) make the engine quite noisy as compare to mineral (cfm louder)
2) abit laggish in respond. (same or LOUSIER respond as when my car is on mineral oil)==> need to step harder ==> noiser


seems like a vicious cycle leh.

This is my 1st synthetic EO.. so i can only compare to mineral oil

others can comment???

i am thinking of trying other EO when i hit 20K... maybe shogun or carlube????
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Ying on May 18, 2009, 10:08:26 AM
yah, 2 year package also lock down the price. It was $1019 when I signed, now is $1091. The Fastflo EO not so good, ok for point to point normal driving.

Dont expect anything fantastic from the complimentary car wash for each servicing.. just imagine they are using air gun to wash car.

Aircon air filter (not change every servicing) TCM charge ~$70, best buy a few OEM filter from this forum then DIY.

Wiper change at 20k interval, but can't last that long.


Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: jliow on May 19, 2009, 02:52:50 AM
so far,>> i have been using fastflo after 10K servicing ..
now is 13500km liao..

so far, my comments on Fastflo>>

1) make the engine quite noisy as compare to mineral (cfm louder)
2) abit laggish in respond. (same or LOUSIER respond as when my car is on mineral oil)==> need to step harder ==> noiser


seems like a vicious cycle leh.

This is my 1st synthetic EO.. so i can only compare to mineral oil

others can comment???

i am thinking of trying other EO when i hit 20K... maybe shogun or carlube????


On Shogun since 20K, was on Fasflo full Syn during 10K.....let me tell U, the oil simply CMI  :nonod: :zipped: :thumbdown: use 6-7K engine become noisy and sluggish.

Then when change to Shogun....I tell u its a world of difference, like haven and earth. now already 28K, engine still quite, of coz not as good as new oil but still smooth and quiet. So much so I think will drag until 32K - 35k then go service

The next oil I be changing is X-rev.

Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Midnight on May 20, 2009, 10:25:13 PM
Does any know that now TCM has this 2-in-1 package for $1,280?

Consist of:
a. Extended warranty coverage for 12 months or 20,000km  AND
b. NPMP for 2 years or 40,000km

Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: iwilly on May 20, 2009, 11:12:42 PM
Does any know that now TCM has this 2-in-1 package for $1,280?

Consist of:
a. Extended warranty coverage for 12 months or 20,000km  AND
b. NPMP for 2 years or 40,000km



think it quite worth it for protection of the cvt
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: link2563 on May 21, 2009, 06:12:05 AM
NPMP for 2 years or 40,000km - heard of that package. Have not really find out what it covers and what others we need to pay for service & repair?

Colleague told me that power windows faults was not cover and he brought his Latio for outside repair!

Anyone sign up the NPMP for 2 years or 40,000km and on top of that have to pay for non covers repairs and parts? Appreciate you can sharing your experience.

Thanks.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: hammer99 on May 21, 2009, 08:07:18 AM
Without signing the package, you have to pay extra for the changing of parts, especially at 40K serving, package will have not hidden cost.

It warrant all repairs / parts done during the NPMP servicing.



Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: clarence on May 21, 2009, 10:20:49 AM
NPMP for 2 years or 40,000km - heard of that package. Have not really find out what it covers and what others we need to pay for service & repair?

Colleague told me that power windows faults was not cover and he brought his Latio for outside repair!

Anyone sign up the NPMP for 2 years or 40,000km and on top of that have to pay for non covers repairs and parts? Appreciate you can sharing your experience.

Thanks.


Power window fault is covered unde the 3 year warranty, but is not covered if your Nissan is over its 36th month.

NPMP is a servicing package and does not cover any mechanical fault(s).
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: clarence on May 21, 2009, 10:29:21 AM
my 2-years NPMP with TCM coming to an end soon...any recommendation for car servicing package?

hope to be near sengkang, hougang area...thanks..


Try Nissan specialist Autosaver, which charges only $278 inclsive of 7% GST for 40,000km major servicing using synthetic oil.
http://www.autosaver.com.sg/nissan.html

OR

Riverview Auto
http://www.riverviewauto.com.sg/
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: clarence on May 21, 2009, 10:34:13 AM


On Shogun since 20K, was on Fasflo full Syn during 10K.....let me tell U, the oil simply CMI  :nonod: :zipped: :thumbdown: use 6-7K engine become noisy and sluggish.

Then when change to Shogun....I tell u its a world of difference, like haven and earth. now already 28K, engine still quite, of coz not as good as new oil but still smooth and quiet. So much so I think will drag until 32K - 35k then go service
The next oil I be changing is X-rev.








The recommended oil change interval for Daihatsu cars is 15,000km.

So should be no problem to drag oil change interval till 15,000km for Latio?

Can anyone advise?
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: vypez on May 21, 2009, 06:25:45 PM



The recommended oil change interval for Daihatsu cars is 15,000km.

So should be no problem to drag oil change interval till 15,000km for Latio?

Can anyone advise?

not a problem, provided you're using fully syn and your driving habits isnt like one of a f1 racer or trackie.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Midnight on May 21, 2009, 11:54:53 PM
think it quite worth it for protection of the cvt

I am thinking of the numerous famous faults that may arise in a Latio: power window motor, steering coupling, aircon compressor and the CVT gearbox. Warranty for all these quite worth it....  but the NPMP use fastflo... this is what i dun like....   :unsure:
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 01, 2009, 11:19:50 PM
Hi guys, may i know what oil does Autosaver use? Intend to switch to Autosaver since there's no difference by going down to Nissan.

Checked on 60k servicing, AS is $200 while TCM $345. Does AS allow own EO tho?
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: vypez on June 01, 2009, 11:39:41 PM
Hi guys, may i know what oil does Autosaver use? Intend to switch to Autosaver since there's no difference by going down to Nissan.

Checked on 60k servicing, AS is $200 while TCM $345. Does AS allow own EO tho?


yes it does. and they deduct $35 from servicing pkg.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: kspchew on June 02, 2009, 08:27:47 AM
Hi guys, may i know what oil does Autosaver use? Intend to switch to Autosaver since there's no difference by going down to Nissan.

Checked on 60k servicing, AS is $200 while TCM $345. Does AS allow own EO tho?


Bro, I did my 60k 1mths ago at AS, I brought my barang barang and the rebate is as follow,

a) EO -Rebate: $45
b) EO filter: $10.50
c) Wiper blade: $22.0

Hope this help.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 04, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
Which EO did AS use for servicing?

I am tired of traveling down to Frontier to get Amsoil tho.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: SoL on June 04, 2009, 01:03:06 PM
Bro, I did my 60k 1mths ago at AS, I brought my barang barang and the rebate is as follow,

a) EO -Rebate: $45
b) EO filter: $10.50
c) Wiper blade: $22.0

Hope this help.

Hey thanks for the info! EO is 4 litre right? They got rebate for air filter too? And where did you buy EO filter?
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: kspchew on June 05, 2009, 08:25:18 AM
Which EO did AS use for servicing?

I am tired of traveling down to Frontier to get Amsoil tho.

AS using Rev-X EO. But you can always opt for Mobil 1, I think you need to top up $10 or $20.

Cheers!
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: kspchew on June 05, 2009, 08:29:21 AM
Hey thanks for the info! EO is 4 litre right? They got rebate for air filter too? And where did you buy EO filter?

No worries bro. Dont think EO is 4 litre, about only 3+litres. I brough 4 quarts there and they return me with one 3/4 full.

As for EO, filter, I bought it at 50 Bendemeer Road, two shops away from H-tyres for $5.5, brand Mirco and they are the sole distributor for MIRCO.
This shop was recommend by bro IAGREE. You can even get your air con filter and engine filter there.

Hope these helps.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 05, 2009, 11:32:29 AM
No worries bro. Dont think EO is 4 litre, about only 3+litres. I brough 4 quarts there and they return me with one 3/4 full.

As for EO, filter, I bought it at 50 Bendemeer Road, two shops away from H-tyres for $5.5, brand Mirco and they are the sole distributor for MIRCO.
This shop was recommend by bro IAGREE. You can even get your air con filter and engine filter there.

Hope these helps.

Is Mirco EO good? I bet that it will be cheaper than Mobile 1.

I had not tried the others apart from Amsoil. Still wondering which one should I buy =P

Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: kspchew on June 05, 2009, 12:05:05 PM
Is Mirco EO good? I bet that it will be cheaper than Mobile 1.

I had not tried the others apart from Amsoil. Still wondering which one should I buy =P



Bro, Micro is the brand of the EO filter. I am using Schaffer 10W-30 EO, so far at 4km, still smooth
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 05, 2009, 03:10:51 PM
Bro, Micro is the brand of the EO filter. I am using Schaffer 10W-30 EO, so far at 4km, still smooth

Lol... my bad.

Which one does AS change for EO filter? I dunno if there's a lot to change for this coming 61k servicing... argh...
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: kspchew on June 05, 2009, 04:20:09 PM
Lol... my bad.

Which one does AS change for EO filter? I dunno if there's a lot to change for this coming 61k servicing... argh...

If I understand your question correctly, AS uses original EO filter from nissan.
I did my 60K two mths ago, other than the standard items, I replaced my front disc brake pad ($135 / pairs) and rear drum brake shoes at ($125/pair), these are expensive IMHO but no choice, left only 20%.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 05, 2009, 04:26:37 PM
If I understand your question correctly, AS uses original EO filter from nissan.
I did my 60K two mths ago, other than the standard items, I replaced my front disc brake pad ($135 / pairs) and rear drum brake shoes at ($125/pair), these are expensive IMHO but no choice, left only 20%.

Look like I should get my brakepad first. Read on other thread abt the brake pad that cost $65/pair.

Drum brake shoes, I think I just leave it default. hmmm....
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: wrxykh on June 06, 2009, 10:35:37 AM
Service my car yesterday at Toh Guan branch, opt for Mobil 1 (0w-50) for additional $30, change my battery and air con air filter too.

Generally the service personnel is very friendly and good, but beware :

1) The computer tuning equipment is not working, ask me to come back next week. I think this is fine since I stay somewhere nearby
2) When the service guy open my passenger front door, the door hit the main panel of the car jack lifter. Needless to say, this created a small dent (but obvious) on my car door. Not too happy with this and the service guy apology with his action. Minimally they should put some cushion material on the edge of the panel so that it won't create a dent even thought the car doors hit the main panel.

Latio owner, please take note when you are around to see your car being service, remind them to open door carefully, or push further away from the main panel. (he did push away but not far enuff)

Any recommendation on where to massaging the dent back to normal? My mind is still thinking about this incident.

Cheers
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: SoL on June 06, 2009, 12:08:17 PM
Service my car yesterday at Toh Guan branch, opt for Mobil 1 (0w-50) for additional $30, change my battery and air con air filter too.

Generally the service personnel is very friendly and good, but beware :

1) The computer tuning equipment is not working, ask me to come back next week. I think this is fine since I stay somewhere nearby
2) When the service guy open my passenger front door, the door hit the main panel of the car jack lifter. Needless to say, this created a small dent (but obvious) on my car door. Not too happy with this and the service guy apology with his action. Minimally they should put some cushion material on the edge of the panel so that it won't create a dent even thought the car doors hit the main panel.

Latio owner, please take note when you are around to see your car being service, remind them to open door carefully, or push further away from the main panel. (he did push away but not far enuff)

Should ask them to compensate you for this. If they damage your car, it's only right they pay you back for repair.
Any recommendation on where to massaging the dent back to normal? My mind is still thinking about this incident.

Cheers
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Everince on June 07, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
Hi check with you TCM NPMP allow you to use your own EO? I am thinking whether to take up that service package for my 60k onward service...but don wish to use that crappy EO.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 08, 2009, 12:04:12 AM
Hi check with you TCM NPMP allow you to use your own EO? I am thinking whether to take up that service package for my 60k onward service...but don wish to use that crappy EO.

I think dun can. Because some of the drivers here tried before. Even if you insists to change, I dun think there will be rebate as it is under the package.not sure abt the current stage.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: ahhoy on June 08, 2009, 03:22:17 PM
I think dun can. Because some of the drivers here tried before. Even if you insists to change, I dun think there will be rebate as it is under the package.not sure abt the current stage.

Yah, bro josho is rite. Did call up TCM to ask.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Sunburnt on June 08, 2009, 04:04:30 PM
Yah, bro josho is rite. Did call up TCM to ask.

Just to share, had called TCM. For NPMP package, no rebate for using your own EO.
But can top up to change to Shogun.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 08, 2009, 05:01:30 PM
I thought of NPMP initially. But i gave up because i need spare cash by my side, so I opt off the idea and head for AS to service the car.  :D :D
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Jo_Lee on June 11, 2009, 04:38:16 PM
hey guys, I'm going to AS for my 20k servicing...maybe during 1 of the saturdays when i'm off...
need to know how long they take to do the 20k servicing...if a few hrs then i will go back home
1st since the industrial park quite ulu...
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: mindman on June 11, 2009, 04:56:28 PM
hey guys, I'm going to AS for my 20k servicing...maybe during 1 of the saturdays when i'm off...
need to know how long they take to do the 20k servicing...if a few hrs then i will go back home
1st since the industrial park quite ulu...

Defu or Ubi ? .  AS has 2 places
cheers
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Jo_Lee on June 11, 2009, 06:27:34 PM
Defu or Ubi ? .  AS has 2 places
cheers


oops...i'm going to the one at Defu...
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: kspchew on June 12, 2009, 08:40:08 AM
Defu or Ubi ? .  AS has 2 places
cheers

AS has another branch in Toh Guan
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Jo_Lee on June 12, 2009, 10:44:19 AM
so how long they take to do the 20k servicing ??
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Everince on June 13, 2009, 01:11:04 AM
ehh defu 1 very ulu and industrialised area...ubi is better..cos they have a rest area

oops...i'm going to the one at Defu...
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: petra74 on June 17, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
not a problem, provided you're using fully syn and your driving habits isnt like one of a f1 racer or trackie.
15 000km to change engine oil should not be a problem, in fact, I realized recently that I experience better fuel efficiency after 10k, consistently hitting 14 to 15km per litre... I also use Lube control which also mentioned to change engine oil only when use Lube control 20 at 16,000km.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 22, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
Just did my servicing at AS. Fast and good.. But as there are couple of things to change at 60k, I spent $454 tho initially is $193... fan belt, air con filter, drum brake...
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: nzmg on June 22, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
Wah! $454 is a big jump from initial $193 .. mind if you give a breakdown of the 'additional costs' when you have time? Maybe we can buy our own parts to bring there... ::)
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Ying on June 22, 2009, 03:48:39 PM
I don't like the "additional cost", I prefer nett price for all inclusive package.

source then buy from dealer then bring to workshop also incur extra "servicing" time and overhead cost which most people ignored but if it is fun then why not.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: pizzaboy on June 22, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
For me i dun like any packages at all like wat agent or as is doin wat 10k,20k,30k,40k,50k,60k,70k,80k etc etc...

I prefer other workshops out there  dat juz charges u for watever parts dat u tink it needs to be replaced and watever dat needs to be carried out eg. oil & oil filter change dats all.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: SpeedLimit on June 23, 2009, 12:26:58 AM
Just did my servicing at AS. Fast and good.. But as there are couple of things to change at 60k, I spent $454 tho initially is $193... fan belt, air con filter, drum brake...

air con filter AS charge how much?
or the break down of wat they did?
i will be doing my servicing next 2 weeks time
thks
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: LaChio on June 23, 2009, 03:11:53 AM
Just did my servicing at AS. Fast and good.. But as there are couple of things to change at 60k, I spent $454 tho initially is $193... fan belt, air con filter, drum brake...
Me did major 80k servicing at AS Defu last Thurs, total damage $159.32/- nia.
Package price $260 minus ($45 for own oil, $19+ for wipers, $10+ for air filter and $15 for AS member) = $159.32. Note: Me using Twister silicon wipers and Hurricane s/s air filter which did not need to be replaced and therefore the rebate.

If done at TC, it would definitely cost more than double. By the way, how much is TC charging for their package C nowadays? 
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: sharon123 on June 23, 2009, 09:44:36 AM
I have been getting my regular EO changed at a car shop near Alexandra Village at Bukit Merah. The guy will check my brake, tyres, and almost everything as part of regular maintenance.

As I bring my own EO, the workshop charges me about $20+ for these checking. I do pay separately for the filter and parts if there is a change of part (so far, I only change the wiper).

My car is approaching 40000 km in a few month's time as I don't drive very much (mileage since 2005 Nov).

Is this sufficient? do I still need to sign up service packages you all talk about?
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: Latiorarri on June 23, 2009, 09:57:13 AM
air con filter AS charge how much?
or the break down of wat they did?
i will be doing my servicing next 2 weeks time
thks

Just changed my A?C filter at AS Ubi branch last Friday. They have 2 types there.. Taiwan OEM and Japan OEM $30 and $45 repsectively. I changed to the japanese one after looking at both. The Taiwan one filter very rough.. the Japan one.. looks exactly like the original.

Digusting leh.. the old air filter take out (~ 1 year).. got mould growing behind..  :puke:
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: SpeedLimit on June 23, 2009, 11:32:33 AM
Me did major 80k servicing at AS Defu last Thurs, total damage $159.32/- nia.
Package price $260 minus ($45 for own oil, $19+ for wipers, $10+ for air filter and $15 for AS member) = $159.32. Note: Me using Twister silicon wipers and Hurricane s/s air filter which did not need to be replaced and therefore the rebate.

If done at TC, it would definitely cost more than double. By the way, how much is TC charging for their package C nowadays? 

bring own EO minus $45 only?
btw i been to defu AS and dun really like the place.
no place for u to relax and wait... plus ulu...
hehe
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 23, 2009, 02:43:38 PM
air con filter AS charge how much?
or the break down of wat they did?
i will be doing my servicing next 2 weeks time
thks

I think is $10+ for that filter. I cannot rem

Me did major 80k servicing at AS Defu last Thurs, total damage $159.32/- nia.
Package price $260 minus ($45 for own oil, $19+ for wipers, $10+ for air filter and $15 for AS member) = $159.32. Note: Me using Twister silicon wipers and Hurricane s/s air filter which did not need to be replaced and therefore the rebate.

If done at TC, it would definitely cost more than double. By the way, how much is TC charging for their package C nowadays?

Where you buy the Silicon wiper? Im using the normal one from AS, thought of changing it. Where can I ask the person to do it for me?

TC is charging $353 from the website of Package C. There's bound to have things to change also.

The most expensive is my Fan Belt.
bring own EO minus $45 only?
btw i been to defu AS and dun really like the place.
no place for u to relax and wait... plus ulu...
hehe

Luckily Toh Guan East near IMM. Can go there happily... But need to walk a lil to get there. Take it as exercising...
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: pizzaboy on June 23, 2009, 02:54:44 PM
Anyone tried RiverView Auto?
Tot of goin there for my next service, izzit safe to go their workshop?
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: nzmg on June 23, 2009, 03:07:31 PM
15 000km to change engine oil should not be a problem, in fact, I realized recently that I experience better fuel efficiency after 10k, consistently hitting 14 to 15km per litre... I also use Lube control which also mentioned to change engine oil only when use Lube control 20 at 16,000km.

There are a few things that you might consider before stretching it :

1. The 15000km you mention might be a recommendation for overseas where people drive hours on the highway to work. 
    In Singapore, we drive in start-stop traffic and trips take a shorter duration.
    Our driving condition is actually more severe on the engine oil and make it to degrade faster.

2. There are metal particles that go into engine oil from the metallic moving parts and get removed through oil filter. 
    If you stretch the change frequency, the filter may get choked. 
    Some people buy good oil that last 20k, but they still change oil filter every 10k because of this reason.

3. Engine oil experience high stresses and go through shearing, which lowers their viscosity over time.
    If you consistently get good mileage after 10k, it could mean your engine oil has degraded and become less viscous - thinner oil gives better fuel efficiency.
    Since you don't know how much the oil has degraded (unless u send for used-oil-analysis), I'm not sure if it's a good idea to use degraded oil for better FC.

Just my 2 cents.   ;)
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: LaChio on June 24, 2009, 01:44:09 PM
Where you buy the Silicon wiper? Im using the normal one from AS, thought of changing it. Where can I ask the person to do it for me?
I got the Twister silicon wiper from AS 2.5 yrs ago. Been using it until now, very good and lasting. Can't remember exactly the price liao, I think it's around $60 after discount. It has a 3-year warranty.
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 24, 2009, 09:16:59 PM
I got the Twister silicon wiper from AS 2.5 yrs ago. Been using it until now, very good and lasting. Can't remember exactly the price liao, I think it's around $60 after discount. It has a 3-year warranty.

Wondering why AS change my wiper off because I changed it before at my last servicing at TCM. lol
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: nzmg on June 25, 2009, 01:13:12 PM
Wondering why AS change my wiper off because I changed it before at my last servicing at TCM. lol

If you tell them not to change wiper, they have to give you a rebate from the package. 
Hence, by default, if you don't tell them, they'd change it for you.   :D
Title: Re: car servicing package
Post by: josho on June 28, 2009, 12:44:35 AM
If you tell them not to change wiper, they have to give you a rebate from the package. 
Hence, by default, if you don't tell them, they'd change it for you.   :D

alamak.. now i know.. next time i opt for silicon wiper. go outside buy, whichever cheaper. lol